Thursday, April 15, 2010

Abortion is Murder, 8-2, May 2, 2010

Formerly Stop the Killing of Young People (skyp) and soon, perhaps, Stop Killing Preemies

May 2, 2010 Vol. 8 No. 2
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John Dunkle, Editor

Abortion is Murder, a weak, pathetic response to baby murder, is sent out at least once a month. If the gestapo hasn’t jailed you for defending the innocent realistically, you either have to tell me you want it or go the website. Faxes and emails are free but snail-mail is free only for PFC’s, $100 for others.
Because I believe we should use every legitimate means, including force, in our attempt to protect those being tortured to death, I want to hear from people who’ve been forceful. I’d also like to hear from those who disagree with me.

Prisoners for Christ:
1. Evans, Paul Ross 83230-180, USP McCreary, P.O. Box 3000, Pine Knot, KY 42635
2. Gibbons, Linda - Vanier WDC, 655 Martin St., P.O. Box 1040, Milton, ON, Canada L9T 5E6
3. Griffin, Michael 310249, Okaloosa Correctional Institution, Crestview FL 32539-6708 9/11
4. Howard, Peter Andrew 57760-097, FCI, Box 900, Safford, AZ 85546
5. Jordi, Stephen 70309-004, FCI P.O. Box 33, Terre Haute IN 47802 6/30
6. Knight, Peter CRN 158589, Port Philip Prison, P.O. Box 376, Laverton, Victoria, Australia
7. Kopp, James 11761-055, USP Canaan, 3057 Easton Tpk., Waymart, PA 18472
8. Little, David (no address yet)
9. Lo, Erlyndon Joseph LE#234894, Collin County Detention Center, 4300 Community Avenue, McKinney TX 75071
10. McMenemy, David Robert 08168-030, FCI Elkton, P.O. Box 10, Lisbon OH 44432
11. Richardson, Alonzo Lee 12898-021, PO Box 474701, Des Moines, IA 5094
12. Scott P. Roeder KDOC#0065192, El Dorado Correctional Facility, P. O. Box 311, El Dorado, KS 67042
13. Ross, Michael, Custer County Jail, 1010 Main St., Miles City, Montana 59301
14. Rudolph, Eric 18282-058 US Pen. Max, Box 8500, Florence CO 81226-8500
15. Shannon, Rachelle 59755-065, FCI Waseca, Unit A, P.O. Box 1731, Waseca, MN 56093 3/31
16. Waagner, Clayton Lee 17258-039, United States Penitentiary, P.O. Box 1000, Lewisburg PA 17837 8/25
17. Weiler Jr., Robert F. 39385-037, FCC - Delaware Hall, Box 1000, Petersburg VA 23804 (new)
18. Whitaker, Vincent , FCI, Box 699, Estill SC 29918

"I'm prepared to die in jail, if necessary. I can no longer cope with the hypocrisy of praying for life ... and paying for death." David Little
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More from Chapter 3 of Eric Rudolph’s Abortion, the Irrepressible Conflict:

Our society still prosecutes child abusers precisely because we believe that parents assume certain obligations to their children. They are obligated to provide a minimum of food, shelter, medical care, and education. And if the parents don’t live up to their obligations, they can be prosecuted and the child can be removed from their custody. The parents can’t simply “unplug” themselves anytime they choose. The mother who let her child starve to death while she was on a trip to Europe would be tracked down and prosecuted for murder. Most civilized people still recognize that we assume certain involuntary obligations as part of living in society. And one of those obligations is to care for our children.
Not only are we obligated to our family, we are also obligated to strangers. In a case out of Minnesota, a cattle buyer named Orlando Depue was awarded damages after he was literally kicked out in the cold. It was a cold January night in Minnesota—we’re talking Eskimo weather. Depue had eaten dinner with a couple, the Flateaus. Feeling sick after the dinner, he asked the couple if he could sleep over. But the Flateaus refused to give him board and told him to leave. Too sick to drive, Depue was forced to sleep in the backseat of his car. In the morning his fingers were popsicles, and later had to be amputated.
Depue sued the couple for damages. The Court said: “In the case at bar the defendants were under no contract obligation to minister to plaintiff in his distress; but humanity demanded they do so, if they understood and appreciated his condition . . . The law as well as humanity required that he not be exposed in his helpless condition to the merciless elements.”42 An obligation is assumed once you “understand and appreciate” the conditions of your fellowman, even if he is a stranger. What goes for strangers goes double for family members.
Looked at within the normal context of familial obligations, Thomson’s Henry Fonda example falls apart. Although it may be asking too much of Henry to run about the country laying hands on sick folks, it would be only just to expect his healing touch if you were his son or daughter. The glue that holds society together is assumed responsibility to family, friends, strangers, and country. No doubt we owe each of these categories a different level of responsibility, but without assumed responsibility, there is no society.
There is something deeper at work in Thomson’s examples than just a brutal social contract theory. They reveal someone with a deep hatred of maternity itself. Such attitudes are typical of feminists like Thomson. Pregnancy is like being kidnapped and hooked-up to an ailing violinist. In her bizarre world, the wonders of maternity are similar to being trapped in a tiny house with an ever-expanding child, who will eventually crush her to death if she doesn’t kill him first. Contraceptives are like bars on your windows meant to keep burglars (babies) out. Something so natural and traditionally welcomed by women the world over is reduced to a malevolent force. A woman is trapped, put upon by nature, and abortion is a defensive reaction. In feminist literature, with few exceptions, pregnancy is everything negative, never a gift or a blessing. All healthy cultures treat child birth as the penultimate female experience. Feminists like Thomson see it as a curse.
Liberals such as Harry Blackmun and Judith Jarvis Thomson framed the abortion debate and conservatives feel compelled to base their arguments on the same classical liberal premises. From their side, the unborn child’s right to life outweighs the mother’s right to control her body. The problem with this approach is the unborn child is not an independent actor as social contract theory assumes. The neonate is a special dependent. In Lockian social contract theory dependents are not afforded full rights. In fact, if you didn’t own property, Locke believed you had no stake in society, and therefore should not be given the full rights of a citizen. This is where early American property qualification for voting is derived from.
Pro-lifers frame the debate as if they were going into court to represent the child in a legal dispute against his mother. Strictly speaking, carrying a child to term entails more than just respecting the baby’s right to life. Maternity is about the performance of an affirmative duty. The two are somewhat different. For example, respecting your neighbor’s property rights normally requires only that you refrain from violating his property through trespass, theft, or vandalism and so forth. If you do nothing to your neighbor’s property, you have observed his rights. But you are not required to go over to his house every week and mow his grass, or help him put on a new roof if he needs one. And respecting another’s right to life requires only that you refrain from killing him. Normally, you are not obligated to make sure your neighbor is well fed and has adequate shelter.
Thomson’s argument relies on this classical liberal notion that to observe another person’s rights we are not obligated for another’s upkeep. But caring for a child does require that the mother do more than just respect the child’s right to life. She must nurture the child; she must protect him from abortion; she can’t use drugs or alcohol; and if she intends to keep him after birth, she must provide food, shelter, healthcare, and education. Thomson points out this weakness in the pro-life position:

Opponents of abortion have been so concerned to make out the independence of the fetus, in order to establish that it has a right to life, just as the mother does, that they have tended to overlook the possible support they might gain from making out that the fetus is dependent on the mother, in order to establish that she has a special responsibility that gives it rights against her that are not possessed by an independent person—such as an ailing violinist who is a stranger to her.43

Thomson makes a good point here. Ancient obligations to our family and society take precedence to our individual rights. This is the correct conservative argument against abortion and infanticide. Cardinal Newman put it this way:

We are not our own anymore than what we possess is our own. We did not make ourselves, we can’t be supreme over ourselves. We are not our masters. We are God’s property. Is it not our happiness to view the matter? Is it any happiness or any comfort to consider that we are our own? It may be thought so by the young and prosperous. These may think it a great thing to have everything, as they suppose, their own way—to depend on no one, to think of nothing out of sight, to be without irksome and continual acknowledgment, continual prayer, continual reference to what they do to the will of another. But as time goes on, they, as all men, will find that independence was not made for man—that it is an unnatural state—it will do for a while, but will not carry them safely to the end.44

Our parental laws are rooted in this ancient wisdom. Until 1973, most governments in the Western world applied this thinking to abortion. Childbirth is a blessing. It is an essential relationship. Without mothers, society is not possible. The family is the primary unit in society, the primary socializer of citizens. More specifically, the traditional nuclear family performs those essential tasks best. Good families make good taxpayers, good patriots, good citizens. If the government is effective, it will do all in its power to create an environment where healthy families can flourish. Family life is none of the government’s business, you may say. You are wrong! All cultures have found that social stability is dependent on strong families. Marriage contracts and family law are found in all healthy societies. Children raised by responsible fathers and mothers are less likely to engage in anti-social behavior. The problems of America’s inner cities today are largely due to the absence of solid families, specifically the absence of fathers. Studies continue to show that children who grow up in fatherless households are far more likely to end up in prison. Protecting the integrity of the family is a legitimate state interest and falls well within the constitutional mandate. Compelling a woman, who is already pregnant, to carry her child for at least the nine months of pregnancy is a legitimate extension of that mandate. Except to save the life of the mother, there is no legitimate reason for abortion. (tbc)
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Dear Friends, I am in the Oakland County Jail these past 4 months. My bunkee is in jail for destroying his home with a hammer. This frightened his poor wife who arrived home during his rampage. Though his wife was not verbally or physically threatened or harmed, my bunkee was charged with Felony Assault.
My bunkee was on meds for depression as a result of a motorcycle accident. His meds were the reason he went on his rampage. The doctor prescribed something he should not have been taking, this contributed to his mental state.
On September 11th Harlan Drake gunned down Jim Poullion and Mike Fouss. It is possible that Harlan Drake’s situation is similar to my bunkee's. In 2004 Drake was in a severe motor vehicle accident; it is reported that he has not been the same since. Perhaps prescribed drugs contributed to his homicidal rampage.
However, one thing is very strange: my bunkee had to wait 4 months to get into the Ann Arbor forensic lab, and he still has not received word from the court regarding the lab's prognosis. Harlan Drake seems to get preferential treatment and a clement court decision within weeks of his shooting rampage.
This is all too typical of pro-abortion violence against pro-lifers.
When pro-lifers are attacked at the death camps, and we call for the police, guess who gets arrested? Usually nothing happens to the person committing the assault. Others could say much more. I have heard many, many stories besides my own experiences.
I am presently in custody in Michigan as a result of road rage. I was driving a vehicle which displays the same aborted babies Jim Poullion was displaying not 40 miles from where Jim was shot and killed by Harlan Drake.
I am accused of the road rage the other person was doing (I have nothing against bland mini-vans).
I am presently tempted to plead to a misdemeanor just to get this ordeal over with. My chances of getting a fair-minded jury in this country are very slim. Most people believe that in any altercation, people who display aborted baby pictures are at fault. They believe we are deliberately provoking people to fight us. I am sure that is in the back of most people’s minds when it comes to the shooting death of Jim Poullion. Though unsaid, they believe he got what he deserved.
But provoking a fight is not the reason why we display the pictures. We display the brutality of abortion because we want baby-killing to end. We want people to see and to understand how outrageous it is for a mother to kill her child. Displaying the pictures saves lives and stirs up repentance. It also brings about outrage to the unrepentant. Baby-murder is permitted, protected, and promoted in our nation these past 37 years with no end in sight. Displaying the carnage is the most direct and powerful means we have to combat its acceptance.
Those who kill their children have few inhibitions about inflicting harm on strangers (perceptive). There is but a thin layer of civility which prevents many from doing so. Drugs can strip away that thin layer. But even those considered sane, empowered as of a pastor, judge, juror, prosecutor, politician, or voter participate in the homicides of 4000 innocent Americans per day.
How shall those who protect the unborn get fair treatment from those who participate in their killings? It will not happen this side of glory.
dan holman, Missionaries to the Pre-born, Iowa
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Dear John, Here I've assembled a few miscellaneous thoughts and observations:
The American Civil Liberties Union strikes me as Jenny Gump gets a law degree and Forest is really proud of her. And now she's going through her phases in the American courtroom. And the reason why she supports abortion is that if she keeps showing up pregnant from Forest, people are going to think she's the one who's "somewhat retarded," to quote the U.S. Supreme Court in Stump v. Sparkman.
In other words, the Court has been dealing with Jenny since long before the movie came out. And Buck v. Bell (sterilization) and Roe v. Wade (child homicide) are prime examples of what the Court is willing to resort to when American women behave like "imbeciles afflicted with hereditary forms of insanity or imbecility," to quote from p. 215 of the concurring opinion of Justice Douglas to Roe v. Wade. He was reflecting on the sexual imbecility of American women caught up in the social insanity of the Hippie Craze, which succeeded the original "form of insanity" addressed by the Court in Buck v. Bell, namely, the Flapper Craze of the Roaring 20s.
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If you really want to scare abortion providers, show up with signs reading on one side:
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IT'S OKAY TO KEEP
KILLING BABIES!!!
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And on the other side reading:
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WE'RE JUST HERE TO
DENY COMPLICITY!!!

Then they'll know you’ve finally wised up to what the pro-life scam is all about: Letting Mr. Wolf clear the pews, school desks, and homes of awkward pregnancy scandals, while the traditionalists deny their complicity!
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I tell the joke about Ronald Reagan that if you're going to appoint a Justice O'Connor as a ringer to the Supreme Court, you have to at least be fair to the other side by appointing a Justice Kennedy! (In other words, it looks like Mr. Wolf has had more than a little help from even the most famous complicity deniers.)
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Infanticide is correct, and not over-broad. But the exact medical term is concepticide, which means the taking of the life of a conceptus. The term conceptus includes babies since they were conceived, e.g., fertilized, and includes every part of their bodies, even the birth sac and umbilical cord. For example, while some people try to debate whether killing babies before implantation is an "abortion," or whether discarding babies conceived by in vitro fertilization is an "abortion," medically speaking it is an act of concepticide either way. Concepticidal drugs and devices, e.g., birth control pills, morning-after pills, and intrauterine devices, all kill babies just the same as any other means of concepticide, for example, late-term procedures, except the baby does not get to live as long.
Dorland's medical dictionary defines a 'conceptus' as "the product of the union of oocyte and spermatozoon at any stage of development from fertilization until birth, including extraembryonic membranes as well as the embryo or fetus." Some people are taken aback when they see the word 'conceptus' defined as bluntly as "the products of conception," thinking it is impersonal. The historical reason for this is that, in the mid-1900s, our dummy doctors finally got a clue and realized the birth sac and umbilical cord were a part of the baby's body. They were embarrassed when they found out the mother's body did not produce them. So, to avoid further embarrassment, they used the term conceptus to include "all" the products of conception, as a catch-all term. Otherwise, who knew what blunder they might make next!
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I tell the joke about Scott Roeder's trial that the State of Kansas was a real "rail-Roeder" of the defendant's rights! But after Scott is freed on habeas corpus, the headlines will read: "Roeder Sentenced to 52 Years for Killing Abortion Doc ... April fools!" Sincerely, Cal.

Mr. Eurica Califorrniaa
PO Box 791
Haleiwa, HI 96712
(310) 804-0727

Oh, Canada

Neal Horsley says: Linda Gibbons has done a total of nine years in jail in Canada for the crime of begging women to not kill their unborn babies. Under Court order to not sidewalk counsel, Linda does it anyway, is arrested and jailed. Then as soon as she is released, she starts begging women to not kill their babies...and you get it--the vicious cycle continues.
So what's up with Linda Gibbons? Is she crazy? Certainly, according to the conventional wisdom of this world, and the conventional wisdom of the Christian consensus, Linda Gibbons is utterly bonkers.
But in the Kingdom of God? Ah, there's another question.
You see, what Linda Gibbons does every time she tries to persuade people to refrain from sacrificing their children to idols is to remove herself from culpability that accrues to people who do nothing in the face of legalized child sacrifice. In effect, and in the Kingdom of God, Linda Gibbons implements the only method she can find that actually accomplishes her being removed from guilt as an accessory before and after the fact of child sacrifice. For, after all, Linda Gibbons cannot be reasonably accused of complicity in the legalized child slaughter going on around her if she is in prison for trying to stop that child slaughter.
Only the most mentally retarded people on the planet can fail to see that Linda Gibbons has found a way to a clean conscience on this planet today.
But legions of people who are not mentally retarded refuse to look at Linda Gibbons because they sense that if they look at Linda Gibbons they would be stricken in their conscience or, in self-defense of their own self-serving life, would be forced to castigate Linda Gibbons as a foolish masochist and no Christian at all.
The problem with Christians taking that position in response to Linda Gibbon's ministry is Christians would logically have to say the same thing about the Lord Jesus Christ that they say about Linda Gibbons. After all, the Lord could have avoided looking like a masochist. All He had to do was refuse to go the cross.
And right there we see the terrible truth of our age, our generation, our time and place in His Story.
Finally Linda Gibbons brings the most ruthlessly terrible message of Jesus Christ alive in our world today. Who can help but tremble when they hear the Lord Jesus Christ proclaim, "For whoever wants to save his life will lose it, but whoever loses his life for me will find it." Mat 16:25
Linda Gibbons is not alone in modeling the way to be delivered from culpability in the rampant sin that has overtaken this generation. Linda Gibbons is not alone in bearing a living witness that leaves the vast horde of people who call themselves Christians utterly condemned for being friends with the world for loving pleasure more than the truth, in direct opposition to the clear commands of King Jesus as mediated by Lord Holy Ghost today. Others have found the way of deliverance as well. Their names resonate across the ages: The Apostles: Peter, Paul, the list goes on and on: John Brown, Paul Hill, wait! STOP! Don't come any closer! Don't say Scott Roeder, don't say Linda Gibbons! What are you? A terrorist?

Dear Linda, how does one obtain a Court Order to not sidewalk counsel?
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And another Canadian -- An anti-abortion crusader in New Brunswick has been sentenced to 66 days in jail for refusing to pay fines stemming from a 2007 conviction for failing to file his tax returns.
David Little said in provincial court Thursday that he will never file another tax return as long as there is tax-funded abortion in Canada, and won't pay the $3,000 in fines for failing to file returns for 2000, 2001, and 2002.
"Let us not waste time any more. ... Put me in jail," he told Judge Leslie Jackson.
In January, the Supreme Court of Canada refused to hear Little's appeal of the conviction, which he argued violated his religious beliefs under the Charter of Rights and Freedoms. The 66-year-old Roman Catholic, who is married and has eight children, said he is willing to spend the rest of his life behind bars if necessary.
"I don't want to co-operate with an entity that takes my money and pays gynecological assassins to kill my brothers and sisters," he said in an interview prior to sentencing.
"I'm prepared to die in jail, if necessary. I can no longer cope with the hypocrisy of praying for life ... and paying for death."
Little now faces a new charge for failing to comply with a judge's order to file his returns for the three years in question.
Little, who represented himself in court, said he has not filed a tax return since 1999. He asked for a delay to the start of his incarceration, but the judge refused, ordering him into custody immediately. Jackson did agree to send him to a detention centre in Moncton so he will be closer to his wife and children now living in Prince Edward Island. Little is to return to court in Fredericton on Aug. 10 on the new charge.
Outside the court, federal prosecutor Keith Ward refused to speculate if Little could face charges for not filing returns for 2003 to the present. He said that would be up to the Canada Revenue Agency to decide.
Little had a number of supporters in court, including Bishop Faber MacDonald, the bishop emeritus for Saint John diocese.
MacDonald said outside court that he expects the jail sentence will result in more supporters for Little's cause. "I think after a few days, after people read this story, it would be very easy to motivate them to action," he said.
When asked if he thought other Catholics should refuse to file their taxes in protest of abortion, MacDonald replied: "Yes."
MacDonald, though, acknowledged he has filed his own return.

The Bishop’s like me -- we’re getting around to it
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More of Paul Ross Evans’ letter:

Kidnapping

Kidnapping is noted in the law of Exodus. This offense gives us yet another glimpse of “the mind of God” and what He deems abhorrent behavior. Putting a price on flesh, and disgracing another human being is strictly forbidden.

Exodus 21:16 and he that stealeth a man, and selleth him, or if he be found in his hand, he shall surely be put to death.

The law is clear once again in the case of kidnapping. We must purge this evil from among us, and the offender must be put to death immediately.

Slander

A special note in criminal law is given to those who create and spread lies of slander among God’s people. This act is strictly forbidden although the death penalty is not merited in this situation.
Lleviticus 19:16 thou shalt not go up and down as tale bearers among this people: neither shalt thou stand against the blood of thy neighbor: I am the Lord
Exodus 23:1 Thou shalt not raise a false report: put not thine hand with the wicked to be an unrighteous witness.
Exodus 23:7 Keep thee far from a false matter, and the innocent and righteous slay thou not: for I will not justify the wicked.

As many of you know, the wicked are among us today. They sow slander and lies into the modern society of information, snoop through our every belonging, and spy on Christians who attempt to uphold God’s Law. Our Father is clear that such wickedness can never be justified in His sight. Those who sow such discord will inevitably answer for such deeds. If they happen to escape retribution in this life, on Judgment Day God will hold them accountable. This is a simple fact.

Theft

The crime of theft is given mention as well, in Exodus 20:15 Thou shalt not steal.

As simple as that sentence alone is, as sound as it stands upon its own accord, the matter of thievery is mentioned again in the 22nd chapter of Exodus in verses 1-4:

If a man shall steal an ox, or a sheep, and kill it, or sell it, he shall restore five oxen for an ox, and four sheep for a sheep. If a thief be found breaking up, and be smitten that he die, there shall be no blood shed for him. If the sun be risen upon him, there shall be blood shed for him; for he should make full restitution; if he have nothing, then he shall be sold for his theft. If the theft be certainly found in his hand alive, whether it be ox, or ass, or sheep, he shall restore double.
The previous verse is very self-explanatory; however, it is good to keep in mind that the metaphorical translation of these terms can be, as well, used to many other theft situations of today. For example:
- If a man steals a large item, and sells it, or uses it, then he shall repay it 5-fold.
- If a man steals a medium-sized to small-sized item and sells it, or uses it, then he shall pay it back 4-fold.
- If he is killed during the day, in plain sight, with malice (and not in self-defense) and/or he runs away, then it shall be handled as follows:
a. killed with malice – his people shall have their retribution
b. if he runs away with said item(s) – he shall commence with previously covered payments in return

* The thief has the right to repay for items stolen, and in so doing, earn forgiveness and repentance. He also has the right, through gainful employment, to work for his victim as mentioned in Exodus 21:2 If thou buy an Hebrew servant, six years he shall serve, and in the 7th he shall go free for nothing.

I feel this verse is to set a time limit for such debt-recovery situations. Six years are to be the most, in order to avoid committing tragic acts such as those mentioned previously in this text, for example, kidnapping which is strictly forbidden (tbc)
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Here’s the rest of Jimbo’s “Holman’s Really On To Something”:

Note to Barak Obama: please remember: the line for civil actions against me forms to the left. Please wait patiently, you’ll get your turn. Don’t jostle or try to cut ahead of other litigants.

P.S. to Barak: Where are the photos of Nairobi Gramma at the White House? Baby pictures? Wanna see my baby pictures?

OK, where were we? Oh Yeah, Syllabus. I’m not selling the Syllabus here because I’m just old and tired enough that I do not want to mess with perfection. Trust me, please, that when DV we read the Syllabus, it will open our minds to the read problem, the core underpinning of Modernism and the root cause of abortion. OK? And that’s what Dan’s getting at, guided, I humbly suspect, by the Holy Spirit, praised Be that Spirit.
If any of us try to “reassess the problem” without this crucial fundamental, a lot of time will be wasted, time babies and moms don’t have.
For example, imagine a fresh discussion a’ la Dan’s, ... without any reference to any new “principle” put forward since 1860? Or, how about 1650-ish, a much more accurate date? Do you realize how much time this would save? How much more quickly we can arrive at tardy help for these suffering ones, mother and child?

Please John, print it, even a little at a time. Thank you in advance

Damn, Jimbo’s serious, and his word is... OK, all 80. Here’s the first:

1. There exists no Supreme, all-wise, all-provident Divine Being, distinct from the universe and God is identical with the nature of things, and is, therefore, subject to changes. In effect, God is produced in man and in the world, and all things are God and have the very substance of God, and God is one and the same thing with the world, and, therefore, spirit with matter, necessity with liberty, good with evil, justice with injustice.

Seventy-nine to go, oh my goodness.

P.S. I still remember how Humani Generis silenced the Darwinist horsecrap that was rolling around these pages. (I beg your pardon, Jimbo; I smelled nothing, or, maybe, very little.) And alert prisoners can build a mini-library of encyclicals, useful for years to come, in debate with inquiring fellow cons.

P.P.S. Humble note to any readers, and Dan: please don’t confuse real, essential Catholic teaching with what “Luigi at the corner deli” said, no matter how good-natured Luigi is. This mistake cost me years of mess. Stick with encyclicals, Aquinas and Ludwig Ott’s book if you want to know.

P.P.P. S. Similar: Don’t confuse the Lord, or Scripture, with the American (Modernist) heresy, Protestant or “RC” flavors. Also, a big waste of time. Personally? I never discovered authentic truth until I physically left the US for the overseas Wycliffe mission field, and I return to there, mentally, as often as required.

P.P.P.P.S. Another e.g. of clear Syllabus thinking: tax resistance, under pain of sin, to stop abortion, ordered by all US bishops. To think we’re assuaged by no tax-funded abortion in Obamacare! Even with that (dream on) how about the entire Fed. Machine that protects ‘AB? What is that, chopped liver?

Not quite the rest of this remarkable piece – couple more PSes.
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The letter of the Great Australian Peter Knight continues:

Another letter which I will say something is that of Paul Ross Evans (April 1). “You will answer for killing our children, we said, as we bombed, killed, and destroyed the abortionists and those who protect them.” That may have been the principle sentiment Paul Evens was expressing, it may even have been the principal sentiment expressed by some others, but it wasn’t the principle sentiment of all those on the prisoners’ list.
Rather than that, the actions which I took were taken to say to the multitudes of cowards who failed to defend the children – “this is the way you are required to deal with a situation such as the situation is with abortion.” Whether you like it or not, and no matter what your actions or lack of actions are, you and your example will be taken by people to be saying that. And the reply which is almost always given to those who have used forceful actions by those who refuse to, is – “No, your way is not the right way, and we condemn it and we condemn you,”
Paul Evans says he likes Clay Wagner’s ideas. I am not in favor of anything which encourages people to believe that they were justified in not taking Paul Hill’s actions. It encourages people to believe that it’s OK for them to sit back and wait and wait and wait for a political solution to this problem.
There are only two methods which people would have been justified to use to stop abortion. Only two methods which would have stopped it quick and smart as it should have been stopped. A political solution was not one of them. The first was for a large number of people, a million or more in the USA, to non-violently (or violently) obstruct entry to every abortion center and prevent any possibility of abortions being carried out. It’s obvious, and always was obvious, that people were never going to do that. When it was clear that there was never going to be a small number of people who were wiling to turn up at an abortion center and do anything, instead of those people wasting their time achieving diddly, it was then their responsibility to up the anti and use method number 2. Method number 2 is Paul Hill’s method. There was a sufficient number of these people to make his method successful. Since they were too gutless to up the anti, it was then the responsibility of anyone who wasn’t a coward to say to himself – “It’s time to show these people and the millions of others what cowards and wimps they are.”
The Christian religion was not founded by a wimp, and it was not founded for wimps. We know this because it was founded by the man who was willing to be crucified so that his message would be promoted. Founded by the man who said – “anyone who does not give up everything he has cannot be my disciple.” No wimps need apply.
There are almost a countless number of people, though, who have a wrong impression of the Christian religion. People who believe it is a religion for wimps. People who believe Jesus set such an example merely to gain weak admiration and not for it to be followed. People, who, when it was necessary for persecuted people to be defended, and they were give a relatively easy task to do it, claimed that they did not have a duty to defend them. Even claimed that it was wrong to defend them. And there’s no doubt that that is what the biggest problem is with this issue. (tbc)

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John Dunkle said...

No one comments on "Abortion is Murder," probably because no one other than a few lawyers and the feds reads it, oh, and the Prisoners of course. So. I use "Comments" to respond to some of my favorite pro-death blogs. They are Abortioneers (eers), thesnotsodailyherald (snsot), and Abortion and Reproductive Right Advocate Going to Hell (aarragh, by far my favorite because the poster, Pat Richards, is fearless, literate, and, generally, kind (unlike me). Here's one for today:

4/15 snot

Kate, is that dog wearing lipstick?

John Dunkle said...

No one comments on "Abortion is Murder," probably because no one other than a few lawyers and the feds reads it, oh, and the Prisoners of course. So, I use "Comments" to respond to some of my favorite pro-death blogs. They are Abortioneers (eers), thesnotsodailyherald (snot), and Abortion and Reproductive Right Advocate Going to Hell (aarragh), by far my favorite because the poster, Pat Richards, is fearless, literate, and, generally, kind (unlike me). Here's one for today:

4/15 snot

Kate, is that dog wearing lipstick?

John Dunkle said...

4/15 snot

Ten to one this guy pushes sodomy in all its forms, and priestesses to boot.

John Dunkle said...

4/15 aarragh

Can't find much to argue with in this post, Pat, but, Charles, you're kookey.

John Dunkle said...

4/15 eers

I wish you'd talk to me. When I read something as disordered and disturbing as DOW's piece here, I will bet that the condition she is in is her father's fault. I don't care what she says about her "loving family" or who she blames like that girl's father or us "dumb fools," it's her own father, that's who it is. And DOW is not the only one suffering from bad-father syndrome; every other Abortioneer suffers from it too. The female must be loved by the male and if the father, or some other male who takes his place, doesn't supply that love, she will look for it dangerous places, and turn into a kayhaitcher.

John Dunkle said...

4/15 eers

I wish you'd talk to me. When I read something as disordered and disturbing as DOW's piece here, I will bet that the condition she is in is her father's fault. I don't care what she says about her "loving family" or who she blames like that girl's father or us "dumb fools," it's her own father, that's who it is. And DOW is not the only one suffering from bad-father syndrome; every other Abortioneer suffers from it too. The female must be loved by the male and if the father, or some other male who takes his place, doesn't supply that love, she will look for it dangerous places, and turn into a kayhaitcher.

John Dunkle said...

4/16 aarragh

Let it be known that I am now somewhere in the middle -- and you know what that means.

John Dunkle said...

4/16 aarragh

Let it be known that I am now somewhere in the middle -- and you know what that means.

John Dunkle said...

4.16 snot

Hey, Comments Off, I coulda told you that!

John Dunkle said...

Sorry snot, 4/17

John Dunkle said...

4/18 aarragh

Pat, you and Commander are about the only people writing today who give me hope. I hope that you're one-in-a-million, a kayhaitcher who speaks clearly, listens, and is either fearless or able to overcome her fear. Eventually the truth will get through to you; the others will help kill till the cows come home.

John Dunkle said...

4/18 eers

If you carry her, you may kill her?

John Dunkle said...

4/19 eers

They're smarter than you are, VF (although I see you are smart enough to remain anonymous). They don't want an ugly, old man like me standing outside their homes holding my "A Killer Lives Here" sign. It's their own fault, though: before I advertise, I always give them a chance (and, occasionally, they take it) to become again the helpers they were rather than the killers they are.

John Dunkle said...

4/19 aarragh

It's the hard way out for the little girl whose legs and arms preceded her torso.

John Dunkle said...

4/20 snot

Kate, who used to think for herself, has now turned into a middlegirl.

John Dunkle said...

4/20 eers

Uh, uh, aag, I've never had any struggles. You see it's this way -- Satan goes after religions first because that's where his Enemy is. All the false religions succumb quickly and even though the one true religion, Catholicism, doesn't succumb officially, its practitioners, led by the clergy, do succumb. And that's why we're killing innocent people by numbers former generations couldn't even imagine.

John Dunkle said...

I missed this other 4/20 post snot

Thank you for these pictures, Kate. As for your comment, why do you think I'm there? To help someone kill someone else? To help her feel the whole world supports her?

John Dunkle said...

4/21/10 snot

Kate is valuable, guys! Hit the link, alter a few verbs and nouns to urge the publishers to accept "The Texas Clean-Up," and be happy.

John Dunkle said...

4/21 eers

The nifty-fifty got that way through the same lies AA tells here. (And tell her that in America we put periods and commas inside the quotation mark.)

John Dunkle said...

4/22 aarragh

Yes, Pat, you do give me hope. (Why did you put "forced" in quotes?)

John Dunkle said...

4/22 eers

What phonies -- not just you, Dizzy, but all ya! You seem so forthright and proud while remaining anonymous and afraid even to listen to someone who doesn't agree with you. And then you blame us, saying we're dangerous. But you're not hiding from us; you're hiding from yourselves. So keep your ears closed and stay anonymous -- probably the only way we'll win this war.

John Dunkle said...

4/23 snot

Hitler could have used this garbage to claim the he was pro-life.

John Dunkle said...

4/24 snot

I don't think I've ever come across a killer's helper like Kate. This young lady wants that baby dead. Get 'er in there, kill 'er, and shut up!

John Dunkle said...

4/24 eers

more swirl from Dizzy

John Dunkle said...

4/26 eers

I guess spicing this banal stuff with four-letter words makes the poster think she is really tough and saying something important.

瑜吟 said...

I have nothing to offer but blood, toil, tears and sweat...................................................

John Dunkle said...

That's the neatest thing you've ever told me, &^*(%%$

John Dunkle said...

4/27 aarragh

This is why, Pat, of all my enemies, you are the most dangerous -- well, except, maybe, for Kathy Kuhns.
You say things fearlessly and clearly and I have no doubt that after I'm dead, but while you're still alive, women will be walking two-year-olds into these places for termination purposes. What's that quote: the unthinkable becomes the thinkable, then the accepted, then the desired -- something like that.

John Dunkle said...

4/27 eers

Sparks, you need a catchy name -- dollars for daggers or pennies for poisons, or something. Love, John

John Dunkle said...

4/28 eers

Four paragraphs and six "I's" here; three "my's" in the title of Chicago's blog -- that extreme concern with self might be the second most insidious aspect of the world of baby killing.

John Dunkle said...

4/29 snot

Most of this is Kate's usual nonsense, but it does bring to mind my latest sign: WHY DO CHRISTIANS AND JEWS, BUT NOT MUSLIMS, KILL THEIR CHILDREN?

John Dunkle said...

4/29 eers

DOW confuses me mightily, until paragraph 6, sentence 1. Then her (unintentional?) attack on condoms -- Earth is suffocating with plastic wrapped around everything -- and The Pill -- basted with toxic chemicals...paved with poison -- rescues her and makes this one of my favorite eers posts.

John Dunkle said...

4/30 snot

"Throngs"! Anyway, thanks Kate. This goes right into the June issue of Abortion is Murder.

John Dunkle said...

4/30

Well it takes all kinds, but I really don't believe that killer's story.

John Dunkle said...

Oops! The above is a response to aarragh, 4/30

John Dunkle said...

4/30 eers

What BG is really afraid of is that someone who might have been killed will grow up to be like himself. Blame 'im?

John Dunkle said...

4/30 snot

Zounds! This neo-Malthusian clap-trap is posted by someone whose whole life is dominated by child-killing, one who spends half her time writing about it, and the other half helping other kayhaitchers do their dirty work!

John Dunkle said...

4/3 snot

Eers and snot have gotten ahead of me, folks. I was away for three days and they piled up. I had to devote all of my time to aarragh, the best of them because the woman who runs it is the most intelligent and she posts the enemy.
This post by Kate, though, deserves a response anyway. I'm kind of torn here. If Kate's right, the Muslims might not take over the world; if she's wrong, they will.

John Dunkle said...

Oops, not 4/3, 5/3.

John Dunkle said...

5/4 aarragh

I, I, I, Pat, I will help you sort this out. See what happens when you listen to your critics? Anything put in the way of torturing a baby to death is to the good. Some operations are necessary but unnecessary operations should be avoided at all cost. Paying someone to suck or slice a growing individual out of your body is unnecessary, read unnatural. The natural procedure is to carry the individual to term, usually nine months. Sooner or later unnatural acts destroy everyone involved because the unnatural is from Satan while the natural is from God.

John Dunkle said...

5/2 aarragh

I'm stating to shiver.

John Dunkle said...

5/4 snot

Kate's a dreamer. Each of us has his or her own way of trying to save a life. At the AWC I think long-term: kayhaitchers there help us create the ugly atmosphere that should affect the carrier, so that she will tell others, don't do it, don't it, don't do it. I would prefer, though, to act as we do at Planned Parenthood in Reading where all is quiet and we are able to speak clearly to the carriers. But I suspect that the former way saves more lives.

John Dunkle said...

5/5 aarragh

Here it is: carry the baby to term. God will take care of you.

John Dunkle said...

5/5 eers

The world's crazy.

John Dunkle said...

5/6 aarragh

Now Pat, you know better than this. Even though I believe that ultimately only force will make child-killing again illegal, I hope I'm wrong, and I am political, too. And isn't politics hypocrisy in action? You say one thing in an attempt to accomplish something else? Of course these people want to make abortion illegal and of course they'd love to do that by regulating the business out of business -- little pain, and gain too! As I say, I don't think it will work, and I think your fear is unfounded, but that's one of the reasons, and not the only reason, I love listening to you.

Another thing. I've been trying, in my weak and woeful way, to get invited inside one of those little auschwitzes for almost forty years. I even promise not to pull out a concealed baseball bat and smash a few machines. But no one will invite me!

John Dunkle said...

5/6 eers

I've had no experience with any of these killing methods, but look to the Nazis if you want to make yourselves feel better during "the procedures." In their "procedures" they found the screams of the firing-squad victims very annoying; so, they invented the "chamber." Here, the victims were told to undress for showers. Then, behind thick walls, they breathed in poison gas rather than felt water. The screams lasted only seconds, and, besides, they were completely muffled anyway, and voila, all conveniently dead. One difference between your method and theirs is numbers: you kill twenty times more people.

John Dunkle said...

5/7 eers

I have a dream too, but mine's a nightmare: SWB and Dizzy are surrounded by all the people of the gentler sex they helped kill early. These women are now in their twenties and vital. The surround closes in while S & D scream!

John Dunkle said...

5/7 snot

I think Kate's losing it, but here goes: good -- 1, 2, 5, 7, 8, 9, 13, 14, 15, 16; bad -- 3, 4, 6, 10, 11, 12.

Say, what?

John Dunkle said...

5/10 eers

Legal child killing will stop. No doubt about that. But it won't stop because of us pro-lifers. It will stop because the people who promote it talk and think like PS. Her post is filled with an unimaginable sickness, unmanageable to normal people.

John Dunkle said...

5/10 eers

"We are not willing to say it's O.K. to shoot every sixth doctor or woman." Why didn't he add this sentence: "But we are willing to say it's O.K. to kill every third little girl or little boy"?

John Dunkle said...

5/11 aarragh

It's the way it should be if child killing remains legal. The horror, though, is killing the child.

John Dunkle said...

5/11 eers

Sounds like the Nazis! They also wanted to kill some people so they could better care for others. If you ask them, you'll hear that all these killers are really wonderful people; they just need to solve a problem.

John Dunkle said...

5/12 aarragh

This is an excellent, informative post.

John Dunkle said...

5/12 snot

Well, Kate, before they are born, how do you propose to get rid of kittens you don't want?

John Dunkle said...

5/13 eers

The text is about as grotesque as the picture.

John Dunkle said...

5/13 snot

This illustration is just another of Kate's lies. We do, however, enlarge the picture of the young person who's been pulled apart. We do that so the blind may see. With deaf people one has to shout; with the blind he has to draw big pictures.

John Dunkle said...

5/14 snot

Three lying posts from Kate in one day! But get this, guys: "assumed enemies"! I knew it, I knew It, underneath it all, Kate is pro-life!

John Dunkle said...

5/15 snot

Scratch a kayhaitcher, like the one here from Queens Kate is so enamored of, and you'll discover that Satan has entered into her life long ago. Horror breeds horror.

John Dunkle said...

5/15 snot

Kate Ranieri lives in another world. The greatest example of racism (killing AA's at three times the rate we are killing EA's) is occurring right before her eyes, and she doesn't see it.

John Dunkle said...

5/17 eers

It's so unfair: he tortured to death tens of thousands of us before his mercifully quick termination procedure.

John Dunkle said...

6/17 aarragh

I don't know what Cassandra's point is either, but it's an interesting comment. Forty years ago Hannah Arendt wrote the best comment: The Banality of Evil.